Alberta Land Rover Enthusiasts Club Forum
General => Non Technical Discussion => Topic started by: binch on December 01, 2015, 06:23 PM
Susan and I were on our way home from her work when I pulled up to a stop light and realized the vehicle in front of me was a RR HSE TdV6. Then the light changed and it took off. Not sure I saw what I thought I saw I raced to catch up to it at the next light. Sure enough.....it said "HSE TdV6" on the lower left of the tail gate!!!
I didn't know they were here yet........ :D
http://www.landrover.ca/en/vehicles/range-rover/models.html
Only starting at $108000.
Not sure what there is to get excited about.
Toys, I guess.
Quote from: Red90 on December 01, 2015, 06:44 PM
Not sure what there is to get excited about.
They are finally bringing the diesels in!!!! Give it 5 to 8 years and I'll be able to afford one second hand.... ;D
But I see it's only the RR that has the diesel option....Great torque though....
Quote from: binch on December 01, 2015, 10:56 PM
They are finally bringing the diesels in!!!! Give it 5 to 8 years and I'll be able to afford one second hand.... ;D
So? Everyone else has had a diesel SUV for years. Just another overpriced soccer mom SUV.
Quote from: binch on December 01, 2015, 10:56 PM
But I see it's only the RR that has the diesel option....Great torque though....
It comes in the RR Sport as well.
Heck, even LR has had diesels in all their vehicles for years.....but now they are FINALLY starting to bringing them into NA. Unfortunately they didn't bother binging the Discovery over too...or should I say LR series. But it's a start......
Quote from: binch on December 02, 2015, 10:03 AM
Heck, even LR has had diesels in all their vehicles for years.....but now they are FINALLY starting to bringing them into NA. Unfortunately they didn't bother binging the Discovery over too...or should I say LR series. But it's a start......
I meant in Canada, all of the other Euro brands have had diesels for years in their SUVs.
I believe there is a plan for diesels in the Discoverys as well, but it is waiting for the new Discovery to get here first. I also believe that they will all get Discovery badging as well.
I've seen a disco sport here a couple of times in the past few months as well. But it's more like a oversized Freelander 2, just smaller then a normal disco.
Yes, the Discovery Sports are here. There is a new "Discovery" coming, probably next model year. Based on the way, they normally do these sort of things, they will wait a model year or two to bring in a diesel.
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/land-rover/land-rover-new-2016-discovery-defender-and-more-to-come/
Of course, the VW scandal may impact the diesel coming in. There is really only one reason that they are sell diesels in these overpriced minivans. It makes the rich people feel that they are being environmentally friendly by driving something with slightly better mileage. There are no other reasons.
I'm still a big fan of the gas-powered supercharged engines in the newer Rangies (Sport, RR). Better power/performance than the diesels. But then again I'm not really interested in fuel economy at all with that type of vehicle, just performance. So my measuring stick is likely different than others.
If they make a Defender that goes back to something we might deem "outdoor enthusiast oriented", a diesel would be a nice option for it. That extra range when traveling at tick-over for long distances in the bush, is very nice.
So? Everyone else has had a diesel SUV for years. Just another overpriced soccer mom SUV.
Well, they have finally bothered to make an oil burner that can pass the emissions regs over here. Land Rover have never sold Diesels here, not even in the Series day's so it's a big step. No more excuses like "Americans/Canadians just don't want diesels, too slow" or "diesels won't sell" or even "owners don't list MPG as a priority in a new vehicle".
Compared to the (slower and just as thirsty, as the V8 in my 10 year old LR3) the 16-19 mpg supercharged V6 currently offered in the LR4, that's an improvement. Plus, it opens the door for the new 4 cylinder engine in the smaller units like the scheduled North American diesel powered 2016 Disco Sport.
This is Land Rover NA after all, and out in the colonies you have to take what you can get. Any progress is still progress.
Oh Trevor......you have to try the diesel RR sport. It has sooo much torque it wants to tear the axles off from standing start :-) It just wants to fly!!!!! ;D
Quote from: binch on December 03, 2015, 12:58 AM
Oh Trevor......you have to try the diesel RR sport. It has sooo much torque it wants to tear the axles off from standing start :-) It just wants to fly!!!!! ;D
Oh, remember that the V8 supercharged in the RRS has 502 ft/lbs of torque, and 542 hp. This allows it a 0-60mph time of 4.7 seconds. The diesel, alternatively, puts out 440ft/lbs of torque and 254 hp, giving it a 0-60mph performance of 7.1 seconds. The supercharged V8 is far superior if you want something that gets up and moves. There's really not much of a comparison between the two, noticeably more torque and a boatload more hp from the gas-pot. The old V8 supercharged is also a better option than the diesel if performance is what you are after.
I've got nothing against the diesel, it seem like a pretty good engine. I would never buy one in a RR though...the V8 is a better fit for me.
Yeah...you're right again Tevor... LOL. But I just look at those specs and compare them to my 4.0 disco. Double up on all categories and still get 50% better fuel economy. ::)
As I explained above....the rich people buy the diesel because they can tell their friends that they are being nice to the planet. Power and torque have nothing to do with it. If you are not one of those people, you buy the gas version. They are not selling them for shits and giggles. They are selling them because of the demand.
For what it is worth the supercharged V8 is 461 lb-ft@2500 rpm. The diesel is 440@1750. I imagine for most people the diesel feels as strong. The average person never uses the available power. The diesel is a better comparison to the V6 supercharged though as they are similar in price. Performance is close, but the much higher torque would feel a lot better to drive and uses 30% less fuel.
Maybe if they had brought in the TDV8, Trevor would be happy... probably not.
http://www.landrover.co.uk/vehicles/range-rover/pricing-and-specifications.html
Trevor, have you test driven any of these new RRs?
The TDV6 hybrid would have been the one to bring in. More performance and better mileage than the regular TDV6. 5.9 l/100km on the highway is crazy.
Quote from: Red90 on December 03, 2015, 10:55 AM
For what it is worth the supercharged V8 is 461 lb-ft@2500 rpm. The diesel is 440@1750. I imagine for most people the diesel feels as strong. The average person never uses the available power. The diesel is a better comparison to the V6 supercharged though as they are similar in price. Performance is close, but the much higher torque would feel a lot better to drive and uses 30% less fuel.
Its the SVR version you want to look at John, for the latest, biggest, baddest variant of the V8. That one you reference is the older version that I had in mine. Here's a link to the SVR V8 Supercharged data...
http://buyersguide.caranddriver.com/land-rover/range-rover-sport-supercharged-svr/specs#features
I haven't driven the SVR yet (or any of the newer ones). Quite honestly I kinda lost interest over the last few years since I have a surplus of vehicles now and don't really need another SUV. If I was going to look at buying a new SUV though it would probably be a Grand Cherokee or similar. Better price point with pretty similar content as the Rangies....although not as much "umph" as the Rangies to be sure....at least until they drop a Hellcat engine in one :)
Oh, I see. Only in the Sport. $125000 for the SVR versus $83000 for the diesel. Not quite the apples to apples with that price split. The diesel price point is in the range of the supercharged V6 and the diesel seems to make more sense if that is your budget. 33% more torque and 25% better mileage.
I passed Ford dealer the other day. They have loaded HD trucks on the lot for well over $80K and one "special" unit with big tyres etc for $114K!!
Suddenly a new Range Rover seems like good value.
Perception is funny isn't it? You can drive a base model Range Rover Sport and everyone assumes your rolling in cash yet nobody bats an eyelid if you were to drive a pickup truck of the same value.
Quote from: Red90 on December 03, 2015, 02:02 PM
Oh, I see. Only in the Sport. $125000 for the SVR versus $83000 for the diesel. Not quite the apples to apples with that price split. The diesel price point is in the range of the supercharged V6 and the diesel seems to make more sense if that is your budget. 33% more torque and 25% better mileage.
That surprized me! I assumed that LR would follow the NA trend of charging a premium for the diesel option, but instead it's lower..... Zoom Zoom With a good fuel range too. Gotta love that ::)
Quote from: binch on December 03, 2015, 07:54 PM
That surprized me! I assumed that LR would follow the NA trend of charging a premium for the diesel option, but instead it's lower..... Zoom Zoom With a good fuel range too. Gotta love that ::)
The diesel in the same trim is $1000 more than the V6 gas, so a slight premium. You would be crazy to buy the V6 gasser, IMO.
The regular V8 is $10000 more and the SVR another $30000.... I always find it funny when the trim premium is more than a nice car.
I was at the dealership on Friday. They had the ideal RRsport on display. Very well appointed vehicle. I did not ask for a test drive because I know my weaknesses.
However, with all the variations of SUVs in my fleet, I think am good for now. Diesel or gas, as long as it gets me to where I want to be.
Yep...another 15 minutes and I may have made an offer. ;-)
Four Wheeler magazine is testing vehicles for their annual four wheeler of the year feature right now and they have Range Rover Sport units. The SVR and the diesel.
They are up against the revamped Jeep Grand Cherokee.
It will be interesting how they fair against the GC and the magazines domestic bias. The Sport has won the completion before but when the then new LR4 went head to head against the GC it lost out.
The LR showed up a day late and missed an event and was penalized so the GC won despite coming behind the LR in all remaining tests (save retail price) and breaking its transfer case, due to a serious design fault, on a hill climb and needing a second unit to finish the test.
I call chinanagans!
I'll be nice and throw Matt some Jeep bashing.... A guy at work bought GC in a police auction. He tells me it is only driving in low range and can I have a look. It only has two modes. Low range, part time and high range, full time. Anyway, the front diff was broken. I'm guessing the center diff has been killed as well from the broken front diff as it would get no rear wheel power at all.... Anywho, the front diff is ridiculously small. I'll measure it when it is out, but I would hazard a guess at 6". Really silly for something that should be able to go off road.
Soon to be in a Ford near you....
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/12/17/ford-f150-jaguar-land-rover-diesel-spy-shots/
QuoteOur spy photographers just caught this Ford F-150 driving around Dearborn, wearing camouflage around the bed â€" not so unusual near Ford's headquarters. What's interesting with this particular mule is that it might be packing a Jaguar-Land Rover turbodiesel V6.
The Chev Colorado is ready and will be for sale soon with a 4cyl TDI Duranax option.
I would really like a good pickup with a reasonable sized diesel, not the 6 + liter ones that are in the full size trucks now. The dodge ecodiesel motor seems good, just don't like the truck. Of course if I could buy a 130 puma I'd be very happy.
The Duramax is a 2.8L inline four cylinder.
Apparently that us why Ford is planning to use the 3.0 l Jag V6. The 3.2 inline 5 they use on the Transit does not beat Dodge. The Jag engine beats them all. Good for marketing...
Duramax 2.8:
181 hp and 369 lb-ft
Ram: 3.0-liter V-6
240 hp and 420 lb-ft
Jag 3l V6
254 hp and 443 lb-ft
Powerstroke 3.2 I5
185 hp and 350 lb-ft
The powerstroke is the one we should care about as it should bolt to the latest Defender 6 speed box.
I was checking the Subaro dealership last night. Impressive engine. Horizontal Pistons. Fully sealed. All time symmetrical all wheel drive. Very moderate trim packages. 1/2 price of evouque. Rated for wading up to top of grill.
Was very impressed. Fun cars for winter and mountain driving.
Check it out
If you want a new diesel, best to not wait too long. They soon may be a think of the past...
http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1103560_its-not-just-vw-every-diesel-road-tested-in-the-u-k-fails-emissions-tests
I am waiting for the carbon police to start ticketing our trucks based on our emissions and their age.
Quote from: B-Red on April 22, 2016, 06:10 PM
I am waiting for the carbon police to start ticketing our trucks based on our emissions and their age.
Sssh.
Notley will be pushing that through though I think, so our time indeed may be coming to an end. We will see.