Alberta Land Rover Enthusiasts Club Forum
General => Technical Discussions => Topic started by: bassguy on January 25, 2017, 09:56 AM
Hi everyone..im new here.. am considering buying a defender 90/ 2001 ex MOD with a 2.5 NA diesel(you can see it on craigslist seattle but its from kelowna?)..I have had many toyota bj's so familiar with diesel to an extent..I have met you Binch and even drove your red 90 years ago..what should I look for I guess(i know thats a huge question!..haha)?especially how often does the timing chain/belt need to be replaced and...do these trucks go 90/95 kms on the hi way?..thanks...bassguy
The official number is 100000 km or 5 years which is quite reasonable, IMO. It is a belt and changing it is not a bad job. If it does break, the world is not over. The only damage is bent push rods.
If everything is in proper condition, with the gearing in a 90, top speed should be around 120 km/h at sea level. If the road is flat and there is not a head wind, you can sit at 110 km/h.
hey, thanks Red90!..this guy is asking around 12,000 for it and it does look like he has done some work to it(maintenance after he bought it)..bassguy
My general advice. Drive it. It should get up to 100 km/h. The steering should be good, the brakes should be good. Check carefully for rust all over the chassis, the bottom of the doors and all over the bulkhead. Pull the oil filler cap while it is running and check for excessive combustion gases.
This ad? https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5971351777.html
thanks again Red90!..ya, thats what I was planning..and yes, thats the truck, ..bassguy
Looks like that motor might be a worn out, I see evidence of possible excessive blow by in the form of lots of oil leaking up top.
If you are in Edmonton, the monthly gathering is next week. http://alre.club/Forum/index.php?topic=537.msg28#msg28 Can be helpful in getting more info and seeing some trucks in person.
Quote from: headdamage on January 25, 2017, 01:15 PM
Looks like that motor might be a worn out, I see evidence of possible excessive blow by in the form of lots of oil leaking up top.
Hi headdamage!..thanks for the reply...yes, I looked at those pics and thought something might be up..Im just not too familiar with those diesel engines but common sense I guess would say that oil shouldnt be spewing out like that?..thank you, bassguy
I don't think you are going to find a running, driving LHD 90 for much less.
Hi MattH, thanks....yes, I know what you are saying!..thanks for the reply, bassguy
This one has been for sale for about a year out of Kelowna at this price, I think. It was for sale on kijiji earlier. He's put a fresh coat of paint on it. I don't remember these going for $12k with the faded paint at crown assets when they were surplused though.
That green Abro drivetrain will need a rebuild in order to be reliable, the rubber seals and hoses thoughout the vehicle are suspect, it would be probable to have an additional $12k in parts costs alone on that one, unless you have a paid-for donor drivetrain ready.
I don't know what a 2002 or earlier exmod 90 LHD would cost you out of Germany through vebeg.de, or what a Withams unit would cost landed? More or less than the $12k? Particularly a later rebuilt landrover? Think globally, act locally. :)
I would add that the engines are quite survivable after failure, unlike many other makes. Having stripped seven 2.5 diesel exmod blocks apart, I can tell you that in every one, in addition to a myriad of wear on engine parts, the bores were either severely worn, and/or at least one liner had slipped. The green Abro engine will almost certainly have machined sleeves in it, likely installed by the contractor rebuild shop. Replacing slipped or worn liners is resolvable, but is a big job in time and materials.
Putting everything in perspective, there aren't many 1991 Ford or GM trucks still on the road now either, diesel or otherwise. Time eventually reclaims all equipment..
thanks UGLY_90!..i really appreciate the feedback...I thought it was for sale for a while and I think you just convinced me what to do..thanks!, bassguy
Not to scare you from buying this vehicle but something to consider when putting in an offer. An engine rebuild at Extreme Engine Development in Calgary will give you little change from $5,000 and injector pump rebuild in UK is $1,000, (500 Pounds). Not to say you will need to do either but knowing the cost before hand should be factored into your buying budget and reflected in your offering price. Otherwise from the pictures, the vehicle looks decent. If you go ahead with purchase, don't hesitate to put your requests for advice and parts on here as members are willing to share LR knowledge and usually have usable parts they would prefer someone use as they are too good just to throw away.
I really appreciate all the feedback/advice from everyone on here..thanks camo388!...,bassguy
Quote from: ugly_90 on January 26, 2017, 06:53 AM
Putting everything in perspective, there aren't many 1991 Ford or GM trucks still on the road now either, diesel or otherwise. Time eventually reclaims all equipment..
That got me reminiscing a bit, thinking of how things were, and how they are now.
When I bought my first car at 16 (well, I was still 15 actually, but I wanted it for minute 1 after turning 16), it was a 15 year old POS Datsun 1200. But it was mine, super cool, and the chicks dug it (er, well, at least so I thought ;->). Every vehicle I bought following that until I reached my mid-30's was probably equally as old, although the quality increased markedly with some (my 70' Grand Prix was one of my pride and joys). Point being, it was easy yo buy good quality cars that were 1.5 to 2 decades old....heck, it was the norm.
Now, as you rightly note, that's not an easy task, largely because things are built to basically dissolve in a strong wind after 5 years..
30 years of money printing central banks will do amazing things to economies, manufacturing, and most importantly in this case, long term valuations of things.
Sorry, didn't mean to steel the thread, just had to ponder aloud for a second.
We now return to your previously scheduled thread...
Bruce is right, the drivetrain rebuild is affordable for these, and all of the parts and labour for a quality budget drivetrain rebuild has now been sourced.
It seems to do it well, you're looking at $5k for an engine rebuild, $2K for shipping, parts and labour on rebuilding that old army gearbox/tcase. $200 for rebuild of front and rear propshaft. $1.2k for tires, another $500 for brakes and suspension? $500 on refinishing or swapping the steel wheels, which are likely rusted inside if tubed. $1000 will easily be spent on something you didn't expect. I would say that in summary, is a best-case estimate. That brings me to $10,400, and labour was only included for drivetrain and propshafts here.
Point is, as many farmers will tell you, there's often little point in putting good money into bad equipment.
A similarly priced foreign LR may cost you less in the short run, particularly if it has a good history. The $5k import shipping bill can be easily forgiven if the state of the vehicle covers off for it.
I have bought two exmod 110's in Alberta for $3K each, through some fandangling, and one 90 RHD for $6k, I even got an assist to a Spruce Grove fellow for another $3K Landrover 110. $12K wouldn't be a starting point for me for an as-is buy. More like sub $5k
Bassguy,
My "professional service fee" invoice for 5% of the $24K I just saved you is in the mail. Not to mention the required divorce lawyer and mechanic that an expensive landrover choice would have made. Hehe.
I am a camel trader, by trade. Hehe.
Has Ken sold his 110 with the 200tdi out in Saskatoon yet? Put your money in that direction......much better bang for the buck!
And that Avro Green is a colour to be cautious around. The 2.5 n/a at it's best is only rated for about 65 hp, and will pull 100km/h easily on the flats, as john had said. But take it to some hills and see if it will do them in 4th or if you have to go down to 3rd. If that engine is tired.....starting saving your pennies and look for a 200 or early 300tdi. Spend a little bit more up front and you save a LOT further down the road.
But you 12k for an exmod is top dollar. It better be in great shape!
wow, where do i start..thanks so much to all in this forum...Ill drop by the sideliner one night...I great posts!!, bassguy
great post by trevor, funny and informative by ugly90, well informed post by binch..thanks people!, bassguy
Quote from: bassguy on January 26, 2017, 11:06 PM
wow, where do i start..thanks so much to all in this forum...Ill drop by the sideliner one night...I great posts!!, bassguy
We meet at the Sideline, the first Wednesday of each month, generally between 6:30 and 9. Look forward to seeing you there.
thanks camo388, ill try and make it next week....just not sure if I will be home in time that day?..but I will check in if I am, ..bassguy